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Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2004 1:42 am

I agree completely, though it is amazing how much we have learned about the human brain and how we percieve things etc. I'm studying to teach math and its amazing how much the methods involved in teaching have changed. They are mostly still the same in schools right now but there is a move in universities to teach new ways to help students learn how to learn etc instead of simply memorizing useless facts. It's really quite exciting. Smile

Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2004 1:48 am

Well not only that but each culture is different and each has its own way of approaching problems etc. Therefore if the test is written by culture A, culture B may do poorly on it due to cultural differences etc

Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2004 4:21 am

I agree completely, though it is amazing how much we have learned about the human brain and how we percieve things etc. I'm studying to teach math and its amazing how much the methods involved in teaching have changed. They are mostly still the same in schools right now but there is a move in universities to teach new ways to help students learn how to learn etc instead of simply memorizing useless facts. It's really quite exciting. Smile

UO Staff Joined: 10 Sep 2003 Posts: 524 Location: Atlanta

??? What did you mean by that?

Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2004 8:23 am

hmm. you guys got a point there.. IQ tests are not accurate at all, we got a Cito test here you take around the age of 12. it suppose to be very importend and accurate.. tho i got 548.. where 550 is highest...
tho i was the wors of my class, i never finihsed my work, and i stil dont know what 7x8 equals.. realy, no joke, i cant spell.. al my words are wrong.. but tho i got 548.. stupid tests..

o and you double posted Kharnellius.. you bad boy Twisted Evil

Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2004 12:52 pm

Responded to 2 different people/converstaions so go away Rolling Eyes

Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2004 12:53 pm

still..

read my thread about the spam, you find al info you need on this.

Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2004 1:08 pm

Tell me one thing anyone is certain of. Seriously, no one is certain of anything. Most of the things we accept are simply theories supported by strong evidence. Einstein had the wisdom to say that you can't prove anything. You can only disprove something. However, since these theories etc work when it comes to helping others I think that is all that matters. Sure, we may not know all that much about the brain. But, if we can apply what we do know or are pretty sure about to save lives then it does not matter that much, now does it?

Well regarding the brain, like I said yes we don't know all that much about it. However, we are understanding more and more about the fact that people understand and learn in many different ways. Ideas of constructivism have really taken over the curriculum. Constructivism is where you help and guide kids to create their own knowledge through exploration etc with different forms of manipulatives and strategies. Kids in 2nd and 3rd grade (in some cases sooner than that) CAN do algebra though it is in a way that they dont think of it as algebra. They can't generally do symbolic manipulation (i.e. variables) but they can still find out the answer to simple problems that later on take the form of word problems.

I'm not sure what you mean when you say they find "right" answers and move on. If anything the social sciences are finding more effective answers that benefit everyone in education. And these aren't simple theories that some dude locked in a broom closet downing Sam's came up with. These are tried and true methods. That is why it is exciting. Kids are understanding math as a way of thinking, not as simply numbers with symbols. Most of us here were taught math is 2 + 2 = 4. That is not what math is. Math is a way of thinking using logical reasoning. Most of the rules of addition come naturally once kids understand math is a thinking process. They arent taught to memorize formulas. Instead they learn waht math is and then create those formulas from their own exploration. It's rather amazing.

About Big Bang......no one said it to be fact. It IS however, a theory supported by a substantial amount of evidence. Could it be disproved? Sure. But, the fact is it makes the most sense with the data/evidence we currently have. Later on, something else may come along that would suggest another theory in place of it. You make it sound like it is some sort of vice to want to understand the world/universe around us.

Wow.......I typed a lot, lol. Well, anyways. Cheers Smile

Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2004 1:37 pm

o..m...g...
please dont balme me for reading that all..couse when my eyes quickly flew over that block of text, i saw stuff like big bang, brain, constructivism, math stuff..

Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2004 5:39 pm

cheetah by posting things about not spamming, u urself are spamming, therefore contradicting yourself...

and Kharnellius that was a really long post u made there, too much for my brain to intake as of now Smile

Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2004 5:40 pm

But, you didn't read it, lol.

Perhaps you meant..."not reading that all." Razz

Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2004 5:57 pm

i passed it briefly, to get a short glimps of what it contains..

Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2004 1:33 am

Kharn: not quoting it but replying Wink

exactly... was thinking about that but I don't think we can cope with no rules. how about if gravity was different? (maybe not wrong or right... just somehow different)

social sciences are just one of the most silliest things I've known. I'm sorry but analyzing our communication and interraction or what we call society and teaching people how to live within it is so amazingly silly

Big Bang contradicts the "preservation of mass and energy" theory but it's still taught as a fact or a law

vice? I guess it's a secondary or something like that... well it's important but how we are acting now is slowing us down in doing that. fixxing some things would make it alot easier to understand this place

UO Staff Joined: 10 Sep 2003 Posts: 524 Location: Atlanta

Well, two things in response to that. The first, I've always heard of it as the "big bang theory", so I wouldn't say it's taught as face or a law. Secondly, if you believe in the closed universe theory (something I and Stephen Hawkings disagree upon) then you'll find that it does NOT violate the conservation of energy and mass. When the bang occurred whenever ago, it sent out all that matter... and eventually, it will [closed universe theory]begin to be pulled back in, in which upon the matters will begin to collide and eventually be fused into another tightly wound ball that contains so much energy that it explodes. This takes place because of the vortices created at the center of such an explosion. So, for eternity, it blows up, expands, contracts, blows up... rinse and repeat.[/closed universe theory]
The other idea, which I hope isn't right, (assuming that the Big Bang itself is a valid theory) is that eventually, the energy from the initial explosion will eventually atrophie and a sort of megadeath will occur by the lack of any present kinetic energy that provides heat and such things.

Personally, I believe in the closed universe theory.

Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2004 3:12 am

basically a supernova effect with a black hole warp after effect, bah it dont matter,the sun is scheduled to blow up or die out in 5 billion years, i dont get how there are flames on the sun if space is a vaccum, but then again i dont know much about this stuff either...

btw, this really went completely off topic lol