Bringing down the countries system?

Site Admin Joined: 17 May 2003 Posts: 0

I have been thinking about this for about a year now and appearantly Raven and -dp- had this idea for several years now. What about laying down all countries and just have Earth? Like so no United States, no France and etc. Think about the positive effects that has and the negative. Will it for better or for worse? Yeah people, the "normal" staff can also post friday's speak up topics. Not just Tycho .

UO Noob Joined: 04 Jun 2003 Posts: 41 Location: Portugal

I've thought about that myself and i believe that is the only way to solve many of today's problems.

That idea is already happening (in a way) here in Europe, more and more countries are joining the European Community, some countries already share the same currency (the Euro), we already travell to many european countries without the need for a passport and everything indicates that this is only the beginning.
Inspite all this, i don't believe we'll all be united under the same flag or speaking the same language in the near future, but i would like to see that happening.

Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2003 4:01 pm

I think Europe will just become a big alliance (after a long time) and then other countries will be threatened by Europe and the US so I bet some other countries will form alliances maybe not merge

Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2003 4:28 pm

Fear is no reason for an alliance of any worth. The goal would not be to have everyone join for the reason of defense or any other "military" reason. It'd be to have them join under humanitarian reasons.

Imagine a world if you will where borders are meaningless. Ok, so now instead of spending huge lump sums buying resources and building up an army to defend ourselves against our neighbors, we focus on feeding every child, woman, and man on the planet. Now there is no hunger, diseases that plague some of the old countries but not others are gone as the medicine is now going to our fellow "man", not just our fellow "countryman". (I use that phrase interchangeably for men and women alike, please bear with me during that.)

So now that we're all fed, and not wasting lives anymore, imagine the joint efforts in exploring beyond our own planet. The international space station is already a great show that yes, if the people of EARTH put their minds together, we indeed can come up with something that is great. Just imagine how much more we could do without the need to have these huge armys at each others throats.

I dunno, I've been around the world, seen many many places, and I gotta say I think it'd be the best hope for this planet. Our conflicts on the surface are doing nothing more than destroying whats there. Break down the walls, give up the wars, and start into an era of growing back what we've spent so long destroying. Then we might be able to go the next step, into a more unified world.

*shrug* A friday speakup topic that I feel exceedingly strong about. Nice post about it Lalli, that was an interesting barrel of pickles on IRC to open Wink

BTW: Those of you who havn't, join the irc channel, you might just get a heads up on the next friday night speakup Wink

Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2003 9:19 pm

hehe thx... I reply with 3 words: "Bowling For Columbine"... and now for the rest of the words: Europe does not trust the US with nuclear weapon though they do not say it aloud and the main reason is the fact that is clearly stated by Micheal Moore. I know I've been prejudish (I know it's written in another way but well I don't care Cool

) but now I got my facts. Americans have a weird view on life. Don't mistake me, I would love to bring down this idiotic system but well, I'm not optimistic.

Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2003 9:53 pm

you realize that's how WW2 started.........
so basically WW3 is just around the corner......

Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2003 10:00 pm

you couldent have said it better Peoii
we spend too much money on defence now. (the B2 bomber is 2 billion a piece, we have 37 of them) if we took the money for half of them and used it for food, we would feed everyone, and have some to spare.

we SHOULD sometime soon, at least, tear down the walls with the nations we are clostest with. ex: US & canada, EU, and unfortunately all the communist nations would do it also. but maby we could sometime find the courage, to make the first step and extend our hands in peace. we need to, otherwise like my post above said were headed for WW III.....

Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2003 12:29 am

hehe you would be one of the last nation to unite with someone... I think that the most likely turn of events will be that the United Nations will gather and take over the world. Gradually the nations start to merge. Uuh didn't WWII begin by Hitler taking over a Nazi party and invading the Czechs? After that he made a treaty with the Italians and Soviets? The communists power now are just greedy leaders and I doubt they would share something with a fellow leader.

Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2003 5:05 am

Everyone has a weird view on life to another person, thats part of the whole freedom of thought, expression, and speech. Kindof the "to each his/her own" type feel. SOME people in the USA say that people of other countries have a weird view on life, and others return the favor. That doesn't mean that everyone does, and I would really appreciate it if you would lay off with the generalizations.

Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2003 5:09 am

Honestly, in todays society, the sad truth of the matter is, WWIII might actually HELP our society. Don't get me wrong, I don't condone war or any part of it, but where there is great suffering, there is great growth. If indeed there was another world war, and enough of the world was involved, it could lead to the very thing we seek. Peace. I'm not saying that the end justifies the means, I'm simply saying if you look at the past, great things have been accomplished in the wake of great tragedy. So it has been, and so I believe it always will be. Pity it has to come to such extremes though for the world to open their eyes.

Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2003 5:56 am

The world is already free, and that's half the problem Laughing

or something like that .

Maybe I'll elaborate on that later, but I gotta get my face out of my monitor for a (long) while...

Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2003 9:28 am

yah peoii that's true i never thought of that. it's kinda ironic, that the best improvements, were created because of the worst times. especially after 9/11

UO Noob Joined: 04 Jun 2003 Posts: 41 Location: Portugal

Fast way to unify all nations: an alien invasion

Just think about it...

Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2003 10:14 am

Hammer: agree with that

Peoii: the US (and I don't say you because no one here is a part of the country) are attacking the middle east for no reason and getting up their own control over it. They have shown a long history of making the leaders in many countries and some of them have gone crasy and there might be more, alot more. By the looks of what the US are doing now (using 9/11) to get some kind of "reason" to go to the middle east all of the sudden and take over countries I doubt they would by the ones who would unite countries. My prejudice stands and even better after watching "Bowling For Columbine" I've never heard any "American" praise it because it's exactly true and reflects the real "American" people. I've always found basis for my prejudice though they were small but now I have a whole freaking movie backing me up and finally some "American" sees that something is wrong. I think we can drop the word prejudice now and change it to facts.

Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2003 10:26 am

The world cannot become unified so long as religion as such a significance in peoples lives. Right now every country has their own morals and standards, which is due directly to religion and economics. You can't expect to travel to India and slaughter a cow because you would like a hamburger, or nor would it be feasible to have 7 wives here in the United States. While it is possible as in the EU to have a common currency and very loose travel restrictions between countries, as we have seen from 9-11, not all people can be trusted to fly around countries without security for everyone. Also, many people in impoverished countries would just move to another place because economic turmoil in their own countries. As evidenced by the number of Mexicans that continually cross the borders illegally into this country. Now Canada and the United States could certainly create a union of sorts, but that is because both of our countries have simular values and economic prosperity. So the best way to achive a goal of a unified world would have to start with simular countries tying their own countries together in some way and then expanding and merging with other unions.